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Aaaah! Here's another photo of Tony taken on his birthday. He's two years old.
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And look what he's got - a pair of amazing red shoes with white curly-swirly lines on them. Actually they're clogs - made of wood and painted red.
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Clogs?
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Dutch clogs. They were a present from his uncle John who had just married a woman from Holland. Tony loved those clogs.
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He thought he was 'a way-cool dude' and made everybody who came to their house look at him walking around in them. In fact, he became a right little show-off!
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It's true - he thought those red clogs were the best shoes in the world.
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I wouldn't be seen dead wearing clogs!
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You can laugh but I bet you wore some weird stuff when you were two.
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(changing the subject) Are these clogs a clue to guessing what he's studying at university?
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Maybe. And here's an even better clue... |
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Here's Tony aged nearly four. And now his favourite thing in the whole world was his 'Transformer'. That's what he's hugging there.
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He really loved that Transformer and played with it for hours. His dad asked him why he enjoyed it so much and Tony said he liked machines - especially machines that can make other machines.
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His dad told everyone that Tony was very 'imaginative and mechanically-minded' and that he wouldn't be surprised if Tony ended up being a mechanical engineer.
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Is this another clue?
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You're catching on fast.
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So he's studying mechanical engineering at university, is he? Learning how to design machines?
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Maybe. But don't forget the red shoes.
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(incredulous) He's learning to design shoes?
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You're getting warmer.
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I've got it - he's learning to design machines that make red shoes?
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Wrong.
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(getting frustrated) Red machines that make shoes?
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Let's get another clue. |
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Here's Tony when he was five. He went into his 'intellectual period' and decided he wanted to become world champion chess player because his best friend at school had learned to play.
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So he asked his mum for a chess set but she came home with a draughts set instead. Tony wasn't too impressed but his mum advised him to become world champion draughts player first.
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So what is Tony studying at university?
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Learning how to play chess?
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No. Remember; his father said he was good with machines.
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Learning how to make chess sets?
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Don't forget his grandmother said he might become a musician.
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(struggling) How to make musical chess sets?
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And his mother said he loved being in water.
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(desperate) Making musical chess sets you can use in the bath?
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I think it's time for some more clues... |
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He went to India and trekked around the Himalayas and then went to Vietnam, Laos and Thailand.
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This is Tony white-water rafting down a very long and beautiful river there. He looks very happy in (STRESSING IT) the WATER again, don't you think?
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So what is Tony studying at university?
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(frustrated) I haven't got a clue.
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Correct!
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(confused) What??
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You're right!! There's no way these clues can help you find the answer.
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You mean you don't know the answer either?
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We know the answer - he's studying French and German languages.
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(flabbergasted) Well! What's that got to do with little red shoes and transformers and water and playing your trumpet in the bath?
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Nothing.
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(furious) What are you going on about?
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Ah, well - as Tony's grandfather said; "You are connected to the past but you wouldn't want to be a slave to it, would you?"
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Is this another clue?
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No - it's the moral of this story.
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It was a trick question - there's no way of knowing what will become of you by looking at what you've done in the past. Can you tell what sort of a person anyone will become by looking at them when they are very young?
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Maybe - a little bit.
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Exactly - a little bit.
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I still don't understand - what's the point of this story?
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You can look at a kid and have a vague feeling about what sort of person they'll be when they grow up! But it's a mistake to label that kid as 'this' or 'that' and give them no space to grow! The point is this - we grow and we change.
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Tony's grandmother said he'd make a good musician but Tony chose to play his own tune... he's more interested in languages.
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Tony's mother would have been very proud if he'd become a world champion chess player but Tony has always played his own game - whichever game he was most interested in at the time.
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Tony has always been an independent thinker. People laughed at him when he wore his funny little red clogs but he kept wearing them until they didn't fit... because he liked them.
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Tony's father said he's mechanically-minded and it's true - he is good with machines - but that doesn't mean he has to make that his career. (To Speaker 3) Do people make assumptions about you?
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What sort of assumptions?
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That you're the same person now that you were years ago? That what you're interested in hasn't changed. That your personality hasn't changed. That you haven't grown at all. |
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What people think about you - good or bad - is not quite as important as what you think about yourself.
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The people and events in your past that have made you what you are today are not powerful enough to keep your personality immobilised.
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We are always growing, always changing, always learning, always developing.
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Do you ever look at photos of yourself when you were really young? There's probably some laying around at home. It might be worth looking at them.
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Are you a different person now from the young kid in those photos? What has changed about you? What has stayed the same?
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Will your personality change in the future or will you stay pretty much as you are now? Who do you want to be? Have a think about it. |